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Celeste Coeval
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Posted - 2007.09.02 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 02/09/2007 11:56:32 There is a possibility that aliens are visiting earth, but tbh we would appear to them how monkeys appear to us.
Crop circles are garbage. And so are many conspiracy theories surrounding alien life.
Area 51 is a perfect distraction from other projects being carried out elsewhere
Tbh an alien would not exhibit the behaviour we currently associate with them. Any race that has developed to the stage of interstellar flight would be here for 1 of 3 reasons. After all it's a very long way to fly.
1) Scientific curiosity. 2) For the harvesting of natural resources of new materials developed by the DNA variety inherent and unique to each flow of evolution on each planet that life has formed. (This scenario could be hostile) 3) They aren't aliens and technology is a little more advanced than some peeps are letting on .(v unlikely)
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.02 12:00:00 -
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I have seen 3 UFO's with my own eyes in my life time. And i mean unidentifiable. I know they weren't planes, planets, moons, stars, asteroids, meteor showers, satellites etc.. due to the fact I am an amateur astronomer and have been observing the sky for many years with and without telescopes.
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.03 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 03/09/2007 11:36:45 You know logic > this argument.
Religion has nothing to do with alien life as it's a human construct.
If I were you i'd look into what the ****'s were experimenting with towards the end of WW2. Specifically anti gravity devices.
The proof of alien life is around you. You exist. Humans are anthropocentric in their concerns and therefore answer things via placing themselves at the centre of the question. It's selfish.
Let me put things into perspective for you here.
James Lovelock stated that when we view the earth from space we are not seeing the earth in only the selfish sense. It is in fact the earth seeing itself, as we are made from the earth and exlusively made from it. We are the earths newly developed sense of self, the only problem is we see ourselves as independant from it "aliens" to our own land.
If aliens were observing us, I would imagine it was to use us as an example of how not to do a civilization. No alien race would be so superior to us that it couldn't communicate in some way, as we understand the language of mathematics. Our civilization is a shambles, politically, environmentally, socially. Would you wanna contact that?
Before we look out and wonder further than we can see, maybe we should stop and wonder whats going on down here on this spec of sand.
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.03 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 03/09/2007 11:39:05
Quote: I never claimed that the above religious texts are 100% factually accurate. But DarkMatter did make claims that they were 100% made up. Thusly why I called him out.
You know what I meant, and your bit of trickery with the texts maybe containing a bit of historical fact does not change the argument...
The premise of the texts, the religion of the texts, the deities are man-made.
Quote: You've tried to change the argument. Oh, and this thread's about the existence of extra-terrestrial intelligent life, more specifically advanced spacefaring extraterrestrial life.
Of course it is. And the followers of UFOlogy, are quite similar in nature to those who follow religions. Both following a man-made belief system. Neither of which can be scientifically proven, because they don't exist. There is no harm in drawing a parallel between the two groups of misguided humans...
I concur
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.03 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 03/09/2007 11:48:47
Originally by: LUH 3471 The crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship material success as a preparation for his future career. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
He truely was one of mankinds greatest thinkers.
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.03 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 03/09/2007 12:26:47 Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 03/09/2007 12:26:03
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Locus Bey
I'm still interested in your take on however many thousands of years of supposed visitations, and so little evidence. And why the story revolves so much around the US gov't and smells of the other conspiracies i've mentioned? Do you think aliens would act this way?
Well, if you discard the cave paintings as something else, I dont think I can convince you they have been here for a long time. Its basically the only historic signs I know of, except perhaps the pyramid mysteries and so on.
In the end, I guess you can always explain lights in the sky as something else than aliens. It could be unknown forces of nature, ghosts etc. But personally, when I see lights moving along a road, I think its a car. I dont think its a weather phenomenon, a animal or a optical illusion. Yet thats exactly what we do when it comes to lights in the sky.
I dont really need to convince the disbelievers because it makes no personal difference to me, but I hope some readers will find the whole thing interesting and learn more about it. Its absolutely fascinating stuff if you have a curious mind.
What pyramid mysteries? They align to the belt of orion in relation to the Nile as the Milky way? Nothing mysterious about that. It's simple praise to the heavens. Birds all sing in unison (pretty much all species) to the morning sun as they sense the solar radiation bouncing off of the earths magnetic field (the sound of which is here), couldnt this be called similar praise to the elements that surround us?
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.03 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: LUH 3471 Edited by: LUH 3471 on 03/09/2007 12:25:17
Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: LUH 3471 Edited by: LUH 3471 on 03/09/2007 12:07:59 you are searchign again for the elephant footprints outside but the elephant is at home

is this so hard to grasp ???
life is simple the universe is simple
y do u make it so complicated? 
once listen to yourself
peace 
enough highjacking the thread with quasi existential swami bullcrap, back on topic plz :-)
yes i guess i have to go into the first gear from the fourth its to simple for some of you peoples minds sometimes it works tho and then there is happiness all around i dont want to blame you in this modern world it is hard to see through all for people
peace
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
A. Einstein
DUDE.... hippy lingo and einstein quotes a forum warrior do not make. Peace to you though. I think I'll forget this thread for now...... to much unshaven weirdos. the OP wanted to start a discussion about the possibility of aliens, not the peace you can find in your mind if you smoke really strange tabacco, refrain from showering, and listen to the doors while watching someone make psychedelic images with watercolors on a camera.
join in our gtfo. I'm sure the aliens in your head have something to say that is worthwhile, let them have the upper hand for a while oh great lama.
Your veiled flame of this individual & statement is contradictary, and you don't have to attack him for his views as that isn't dicussion. Bully someone in another thread.
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.03 13:44:00 -
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lol?
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.04 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 04/09/2007 11:41:24 I'm sorry is this the disclosure project with the garbage about the guy from Venus (a planet that would be impossible to support life)?
The modern thinking of aliens is for me a little too far fetched. Truth is always stranger than fiction and most ufo/alien stories i hear/see aren't strange enough imo. I'm more amazed by slime moulds or the evolution of an orchid praying mantis.
Like I have stated before, aliens are inevitably part of the universe. But the american crock about aliens pollutes serious discussion about them. I see no reason why america would be the only country in the world that would be covering this stuff up. I mean to properly keep this under wraps you require co-operation from all governments in the world. Hmmmm I don't recall ALL the governments in the world ever coming together over anything EVER! So why would they collude in secret about aliens to hide their knowledge from us? I do not discount the sightings.
A cover up of alien life is actually impossible as the governements involved in said cover up would have to be able to exert control over said aliens which is an impossibility as they would have the upper hand technologically, and a byproduct of the tech, socialogically and philisophically too.
Consipracy theories fall down when you assess whom they benefit and whom they hinder. If all parties concerned with said consipracy theory are not included, then their isnt a theory. Like the "man never landed on the moon theory". No one ever brings up the russians when forwarding that conspiracy theory. The point that the russians had more to gain by disproving the US had landed on the moon than the US had to gain by proving it to its own population, seems to fly out of conspiracy theorists minds. Russia not only confirms the US's landing on the moon, but did so at a time when it desperatley needed a propaganda boost.
/me sighs (semi rant of overly complex issue over)
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.04 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 04/09/2007 11:53:30 Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 04/09/2007 11:52:58
Originally by: Danton Marcellus Blink of an eye, that how long we'll exist for, the math just doesn't support alien visitations. Out of all the planets that can sustain life would they have sentient life at this very point in time and would these be capable of travelling great distances in a short period of time?
Sure there might be many species out there at this point, sentient and reasonably evolved but if they're just about our level we won't ever meet them.
So you don't believe any race is capable of forseeing it's planets doom and building a world ship(last stage arcology)?
Who says the distance traveled has to be a small space of time
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
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Posted - 2007.09.04 13:48:00 -
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fine by me
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.04 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 04/09/2007 14:42:57
Yes life could feasably be found on Europa (one of Jupiters moons) it has no atmosphere but thick ice as a second crust that is craked (filtered?) from heat below. The heat is generated due to Jupiters influence upon the moon, causing the moon to be volcanically active. There is a high possibility that there is an ocean below that ice.
Mars is different imo. It has limited geological activity on the vulcanology front. Most of the geological energy was expelled from Mars early in its development hence the giant trech on one side where the planet split and the giant volcanoes on the opposite side of the planet that caused the planets instability. This means Mars also has little in the means of an electromagnetic field that is essential for more complex life beyond basic building blocks. There could be micro organisms underground on Mars but it is unlikely, nt impossible though.
Europa is our best bet.
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.04 17:26:00 -
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How can a government agency jam signals of extra terrestrial origin precisley?
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.05 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 04/09/2007 21:47:44
Originally by: DarkMatter
Honestly, how can any of you take this crap seriously?
If you were looking at this phenomenon with aliens for the first time, what would you think? You would be curious, right?
But ever since 1947, the existence of other civilizations have been ridiculed by the mainstream media. Do you think this is an accident? That you think the way you do because of some natural law? No. You have learned it.
If you just look at it with an open mind, its very interesting. It really is. Im not saying that everything makes sense, but some things do.
I actually dont understand how anyone can NOT find it interesting. We may not be alone in the universe. There may be a large number of other species out there.
Well I find the mainstream media ridiculous
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.06 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 06/09/2007 11:44:56
Originally by: Blacksilk
Jim, maybe a better question to ask is something like: Do you believe the major governments of the world are preparing the global community for certain revelations regarding some ufo sightings (Belgium for instance) and anomalies on Mars and possibly the moon, especially when you consider witness validity in the Disclosure Project for example.
If I were to answer that question: No, they will be ignored. I do believe they will have a Citizen hearing instead though (mentioned on wikipedia under Action), but we all know how the mainstream US media will ridicule it. They will dig out some dirt on the people involved to discredit them and thats that.
You cant influence the public opinion without having the press behind you.
You seem to have disregarded my earlier statement about the fact all governments in the world never agree on anything. There are many governments that would revel in showing up the US on its cover ups.
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.06 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 06/09/2007 15:05:54
Originally by: Celeste Coeval
You seem to have disregarded my earlier statement about the fact all governments in the world never agree on anything. There are many governments that would revel in showing up the US on its cover ups.
So who else besides NASA can show footage from space? The ESA doesnt focus on human spaceflight at all. NASA is the only source when it comes to pictures of the earth upper atmosphere, the space shuttle and so on.
If NASA wants to cover something up, they have every opportunity to do so. No need for other governments to know about it or cooperate with it. Its a question of national security (or can be made to be).
But in that statement you are negating the sightings that happen on earth. Therefore proving my point. The evidence you have presented to the thread is not focused solely on NASA footage. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.09.18 14:00:00 -
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The problem is Jim belief is blind.
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
A blog of truth (not mine)
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